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Can someone post the position changes rule please,pretty sure we get one per year?
Just cant remember if moving a CF to LF ruins the defensive #s much. If my CF has a 85 FA{Fielding ability} and he moves to left what would his
fa be?

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It is confusing. I just don't submit them. If I do, I forget what I submitted anyways, lol.

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RE: Position changes
I had to look this up recently. You don’t actually change their position, you just get a boost to a secondary position. The boost to their actual rating at that secondary position is 50% of the FA of their primary position, and their potential will be 70% of their actual.

I forgot that we could still do this. I think I did it once, but I don’t remember which player or which position I boosted. To me it’s only worthwhile to do it for someone who has a really high primary FA, since at best they will only be 70% of it at their secondary position. The value is only that it helps with roster flexibility in case of injuries, and even then you only see the value if the guy you boost is around long enough to reach his boosted potential, since even guys with primary FAs in the 80s and 90s will still be below 50 at the boosted secondary position until you max it out (if you remember which player you boosted and remember to max it out).

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RE: Position changes
Thanks NY for clearing that up. I have 3 good CFERS and gaps all over my team so was looking to change one CFer but it seems its just a waste of time trying after you and Cairo weighed in.


(06-30-2018 08:12 PM)nynukes Wrote:  I had to look this up recently. You don’t actually change their position, you just get a boost to a secondary position. The boost to their actual rating at that secondary position is 50% of the FA of their primary position, and their potential will be 70% of their actual.

I forgot that we could still do this. I think I did it once, but I don’t remember which player or which position I boosted. To me it’s only worthwhile to do it for someone who has a really high primary FA, since at best they will only be 70% of it at their secondary position. The value is only that it helps with roster flexibility in case of injuries, and even then you only see the value if the guy you boost is around long enough to reach his boosted potential, since even guys with primary FAs in the 80s and 90s will still be below 50 at the boosted secondary position until you max it out (if you remember which player you boosted and remember to max it out).

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RE: Position changes
There are position changes, and position boosts.

Position changes: Long ago, if somebody asked "hey can you turn my CF into a LF", I would just do it. The primary FA would just be whatever the existing value was. If his CF rating was 85 and LF rating was 30, well guess what, the new primary FA is now 30.

Position boosts: What we do now. If you ask for a FA-LF boost to an existing CF with a rating of 85, the LF value is 43 and the VGM will allow him to play the full range of CF-allowed positions: LF, CF, RF.

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(07-04-2018 01:19 AM)havana Wrote:  There are position changes, and position boosts.

Position changes: Long ago, if somebody asked "hey can you turn my CF into a LF", I would just do it. The primary FA would just be whatever the existing value was. If his CF rating was 85 and LF rating was 30, well guess what, the new primary FA is now 30.

Position boosts: What we do now. If you ask for a FA-LF boost to an existing CF with a rating of 85, the LF value is 43 and the VGM will allow him to play the full range of CF-allowed positions: LF, CF, RF.

Except that outfielders often had better than 30 ratings at other positions... since OF is a singular category for ST, it wasn’t atypical to have an outfielder somewhat skilled at RF, CF and LF. I also remember Ben Stuffel, natively a RF, had a 33 FA rating at 3B out of the draft pool, and I worked on it over time until he was a 45 or so, and won at least one Weaver Cup with him at the hot corner. Was that a better strategy than getting a soft hitting 3B and letting Stuffel play RF, where he was a gold glove level fielder? Who knows. I liked having the choice however.

I always enjoyed that aspect of the old rules, but whatever this is less work for the commish and does prevent 11 FA second basemen, who are really 1Bs.

In retrospect, a really easy way to handle this would have been a minimum 30 or 40 rating at a position to play there.

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RE: Position changes
(07-04-2018 08:27 AM)Max Wrote:  since OF is a singular category for ST

Now, it’s been a while since I’ve processed ST but I don’t remember OF being a single category. I forget a lot of things though.

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RE: Position changes
(07-04-2018 09:14 AM)nynukes Wrote:  
(07-04-2018 08:27 AM)Max Wrote:  since OF is a singular category for ST

Now, it’s been a while since I’ve processed ST but I don’t remember OF being a single category. I forget a lot of things though.

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Pretty sure that’s the case. Boosting CF also boosts LF and RF. No idea if this was documented or if it’s one of those things Knuckleball Lover figured out.

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RE: Position changes
....i needed a LFer...RF Kaline was given 2nd position and is at FA 61 for LF and is 87 FA for RF.....just an example...Smile

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RE: Position changes
(07-04-2018 11:28 AM)Max Wrote:  
(07-04-2018 09:14 AM)nynukes Wrote:  
(07-04-2018 08:27 AM)Max Wrote:  since OF is a singular category for ST

Now, it’s been a while since I’ve processed ST but I don’t remember OF being a single category. I forget a lot of things though.

Jim

Pretty sure that’s the case. Boosting CF also boosts LF and RF. No idea if this was documented or if it’s one of those things Knuckleball Lover figured out.
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