Poll: How to trade a new All-Timer
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Trade the "rights" by letting partner select the player to deal
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1 12.50%
Take suggestions, make the pick yourself, field offers
87.50%
7 87.50%
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Should you trade your All-Timer rights?
#1
I want to encourage discussion on how an All-Timer should be traded, since there seem to be several techniques to approach regarding it.

Also, my FA pick is not 100% readily available for trade but I'd like to at least hear offers.
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(08-15-2019, 09:26 AM)jtm0003 Wrote: I am taking any and all suggestion on all-timer picks in any potential deal with you.

Please note that the more years the player selected has available to him, the higher the prospect/pick price that will be needed in return.

I am looking for either a top prospect or first round pick for each 2-3 years of prime ability available.

Also, my free agent draft selection is available for suggestions in a potential deal.

There are people I'm already working with regarding these, but I want to see what else might be available.

Will listen to all offers.

I’m just going to offer some unsolicited advice.  Please don’t trade your All-Timer before you’ve even picked him.  All-Timers are the most valuable asset you get.  Yes, you can get lucky in the ammy draft and get a better player if you whiffed on your All-Timer pick, but while there’s some luck involved with the ammy draft your All-Timer pick is as close to a sure thing as they come.  That and the fact that they just don’t come around very often...  I see sellers remorse written all over this.

Something else to keep in mind that you could make a deal to trade your All-Timer, the other guy says I want Joe Blow, then the trade committee shoots down your trade and you’re stuck with Joe Blow as your All-Timer.  (Though I will say that I’m still surprised nobody has picked Blow yet)

But anyways yeah, please don’t do this.

Jim
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(08-15-2019, 09:44 AM)nynukes Wrote: I’m just going to offer some unsolicited advice.  Please don’t trade your All-Timer before you’ve even picked him.  All-Timers are the most valuable asset you get.  Yes, you can get lucky in the ammy draft and get a better player if you whiffed on your All-Timer pick, but while there’s some luck involved with the ammy draft your All-Timer pick is as close to a sure thing as they come.  That and the fact that they just don’t come around very often...  I see sellers remorse written all over this.

Something else to keep in mind that you could make a deal to trade your All-Timer, the other guy says I want Joe Blow, then the trade committee shoots down your trade and you’re stuck with Joe Blow as your All-Timer.  (Though I will say that I’m still surprised nobody has picked Blow yet)

But anyways yeah, please don’t do this.

Jim

Thanks, but here's the thing...what good is it to have an all-timer on a team that goes over 100 losses? If I can maneuver the all-timer into the prospects I want, that makes the franchise better in the long term and helps another team to contend. By the time I'm ready to contend, I can pick an all-timer and go rather than deal with a declining player.
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(08-15-2019, 09:50 AM)jtm0003 Wrote:
(08-15-2019, 09:44 AM)nynukes Wrote: I’m just going to offer some unsolicited advice.  Please don’t trade your All-Timer before you’ve even picked him.  All-Timers are the most valuable asset you get.  Yes, you can get lucky in the ammy draft and get a better player if you whiffed on your All-Timer pick, but while there’s some luck involved with the ammy draft your All-Timer pick is as close to a sure thing as they come.  That and the fact that they just don’t come around very often...  I see sellers remorse written all over this.

Something else to keep in mind that you could make a deal to trade your All-Timer, the other guy says I want Joe Blow, then the trade committee shoots down your trade and you’re stuck with Joe Blow as your All-Timer.  (Though I will say that I’m still surprised nobody has picked Blow yet)

But anyways yeah, please don’t do this.

Jim

Thanks, but here's the thing...what good is it to have an all-timer on a team that goes over 100 losses? If I can maneuver the all-timer into the prospects I want, that makes the franchise better in the long term and helps another team to contend. By the time I'm ready to contend, I can pick an all-timer and go rather than deal with a declining player.

Just to be clear, I’m not suggesting that you don’t trade your All-Timer.  I’m just saying it might be a good idea to gauge what you’ve got rather than unloading the rights to your undetermined All-Timer before you’ve even picked him or allowed him to play a game.  It’s not like a new car where it’s worth less the minute you drive it off the lot.  Barring a disaster of a pick, dude is still going to have significant value if you take your time deciding what to do with him.  It might be that you still end up dealing him after a season, or sooner even, but it might also be that you decide that you want him to be part of what you’re building after all.

Maybe trading his rights now will pay off, but man I just see red flags.  This really it just my $0.02 though. If you think this is the right thing for your team then I wish you the best of luck on those prospects.

EDIT: I re-read your response after I posted this, and to address the question of what good an All-Timer is on a 100 loss team, he’s likely a young franchise cornerstone with realized potential. Prospects are maybes. You may get multiple prospects that look good, but it’s bird in the hand being better than two in the bush situation, except that you don’t really know what that bird in the hand is. I don’t know that this transaction automatically makes your franchise better. Any trade is a risk, and maybe I’m just more conservative when it comes to taking risks like this, but personally I’d wait and see what you’ve got before dealing him.

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#5
Interesting discussion.  In terms of value, I can see how shopping a "pick your own" ATer might fetch a premium, though I agree it may also present too short a timeline to get an appropriate number of bidders to the table, in this case.  Whats going to be the better deal, the trade you make now (based on a single solicitor), or picking a great player at the age you are comfortable with, then shopping him for the season until the best bid shows up.

There have been several attempts at selecting older ATers so that they can be turned around quickly in trade (my own picks and trades of Warren Spahn and Spud Chandler come to mind).  This would be new territory, however.  I agree the deal may come back to bite RIO, unless they do this very carefully and have a truly great offer on the table.
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If nothing else I've reconsidered how to approach this. I've put up a poll just to see everyone's thoughts.
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Incidentally -- is there a list of All Timers in the Register somewhere?  I feel like I've come across it before, at least as part of a franchise report, but can't seem to locate it now.
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(08-15-2019, 12:12 PM)Max Wrote: Incidentally -- is there a list of All Timers in the Register somewhere?  I feel like I've come across it before, at least as part of a franchise report, but can't seem to locate it now.

http://register.weaverball.com/awards/alltimers.html
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(08-15-2019, 12:17 PM)havana Wrote:
(08-15-2019, 12:12 PM)Max Wrote: Incidentally -- is there a list of All Timers in the Register somewhere?  I feel like I've come across it before, at least as part of a franchise report, but can't seem to locate it now.

http://register.weaverball.com/awards/alltimers.html

Ah thanks Ed.  I knew I drafted a third geezer All Timer, 41 year old Ted Lyons (1941).  He wasn't very good, and I couldn't even trade him, so that one didn't work...

the other two, however, were pretty valuable as trade chips.  Warren Spahn was dealt for a package including SP Arturo Diego, who I ended up flipping for six years of C Alkeli Jackson.  He was my starting catcher when I won a Weaver Cup in 2022.  Chandler was part of a package I traded for 30 year old 1B Pete Saier, who was a stud for me for 10 years and won back to back cups as my cleanup hitter in 2043 and 2044.  Neither of Chandler or Spahn played more than 2 years in Weaverball.

So yeah flipping ATers can be a decent strategy, but I got sick of it after a while and wanted long term franchise players.... after Lyons bombed out I stopped that practice.
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(08-15-2019, 12:08 PM)jtm0003 Wrote: If nothing else I've reconsidered how to approach this. I've put up a poll just to see everyone's thoughts.

I voted #2. 

I think the best strategy would be sort of a hybrid, though.... agree to draft a player based on a trade you like (assuming you think its generally a good pick that fits your timeline for retirement, and will have value outside of the trade), but retain the option to wait and see if better offers come in for that player once he's been created.  I.e. you could target to complete the trade at the Ammi Draft, which would really maximize the price you can pull in for him, and maybe you either get better offers from others, or at least this increases the pressure on your original suitor to make his offer as good as possible.

That one's free but the next one will cost you ; )
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